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Posted by: HumbledBareBoy
« on: February 02, 2025, 04:19:17 pm »

Quote from: Jack on January 11, 2025, 12:13:44 pm
As I've said here recently, i've started reading spanky-lit again, and I'm discovering that I don't like stories where the spanker or spankings seem mean spirited. <-snip-> I can't see anyway that could be considered anything but mean, and it was enough that I don't want to read anymore of his stories.  Am I over reacting?  How do you feel about that kind of story?
First of all, I think a key point is what Plagosus said regarding the "justification" and/or "reason" question: "An author may provide a reason for the punishment perhaps because he feels a reason is needed in a spanking story and then go on to describe a harsh spanking. The spanking may come over as mean-spirited if the reason is trivial and merited if the reason was serious." Jack, you and I have discussed this both in group chat and privately over email, but in general I take the YKINMK philosophy and believe that "it takes all kinds," in general. Are you "overreacting," you ask? My answer would be "NO", though I tend to believe that just about nobody is ever truly "over-reacting" to this or that; instead, they are simply "reacting," according to the stimulus and the feelings it brings up from within them. More humorously, I would say that how I personally feel tends to be a matter of how hot and arousing the story is, or to what extent does it make me want to operate my laptop with only one hand?!

Quote from: David M. Katz on January 11, 2025, 03:56:14 pm
That said, I prefer more realistic type stories. I don't mind a harsh spanking but it needs to be justified by the "crime" and be age appropriate. I hate mean spankers. If there is abuse or a mean/hateful spanker then I want a comeuppance or retribution in the story. A loving/caring spanker can make a harsh spanking easier to handle.
I think this is a major preferential and philosophical difference between you and myself? Especially since you have used the "suspending reality" phrase, with respect to some of my own stories, from your own "reviewer" perspective... ...so I was extra-flattered, and my heart warmed, when you shared kind words about the emotional aspects of some of my stories. I do believe you and I are quite different, most notably in these two ways:
  • I'm more inclined to priortize "hotness" over other such ideals, such as "realism" and "fairness." In my case, bear in mind, the "hotness" term is roughly synonymous with potential...
  • Although I have my preferences around emotions and overall tone, I can easily overlook injustice and mean-spiritedness, so long as it serves the purpose of content to indulge my baser instincts.

Quote from: Plagosus on January 12, 2025, 05:35:53 pm
I am not too concerned about why a boy is spanked. In some of my stories no reason is given. The focus of my stories tends to be on "spankiness" and very often the situations I create are highly implausible but not impossible. I have now and again written about mean-spirited spankers, but the fact they are mean-spirited is made clear other than by hard how they spank or what for.
Needless to say, I tend to resonate with this outlook -- with respect to not only "spankiness," but also arousal and eroticism -- regardless of whether the "spirit" is mean or wholesome.

Quote from: Jack on January 12, 2025, 10:45:12 pm
Quote from: Plagosus on January 12, 2025, 05:35:53 pm
In the end, whatever we write, are we not all exploring our obsession with spanking?
I'm trying to explore my own interests and define what I like and what I don't like.  I enjoy posting these things as threads, both because I honestly want to see what other people think, but also because my own thinking becomes more clear when I put it in writing.
Yeah, I agree, these are indeed fruitful and engaging discussions! Although, it's kind of ironic though, that when I shared that one story link to you and Z. -- as my idea of a "mean-spirited" story, that is -- you yourselves actually felt differently. On account of the boy's naughty behavior, specifically, so from what I recall, it appeared not to activate your "mean" and/or "unfair" sensors like it did for me(?) Whereas for both myself and another fellow author, she and I shared a perception of the parents as unloving and even somewhat sadistic; though I actually enjoyed that aspect, being somewhat sadomasochistic myself, haha!

We humans really are such peculiar folk, aren't we?
Posted by: Jack
« on: January 25, 2025, 09:04:48 am »

Quote from: squarecutter on January 25, 2025, 06:06:36 am
Heretically perhaps I prefer good stories with spankings, not the other way around

That was my intention with my Central Point High School series.  It was created to be stories about realistic characters who lived rich, detailed life, and some of them happened to be spankos, while others happened to be disciplined using corporal punishment.
Posted by: squarecutter
« on: January 25, 2025, 06:06:36 am »

I find it harder to watch or read anything now when I see no empathy or understanding and cannot like any of the characters involved. Can I mention Stephen Seagall? movies?  As such stories spankings without context or a basis in the narrative would leave me cold.  Even abusive spankings if you sympathise with the victim would give me somewhere to go. Heretically perhaps I prefer good stories with spankings, not the other way around
Posted by: Jack
« on: January 12, 2025, 10:45:12 pm »

Quote from: Plagosus on January 12, 2025, 05:35:53 pm
In the end, whatever we write, are we not all exploring our obsession with spanking?

You are absotively, posilutely, 100% correct.  That's what a lot of my reason posts have been about.  I'm trying to explore my own interests and define what I like and what I don't like.  I enjoy posting these things as threads, both because I honestly want to see what other people think, but also because my own thinking becomes more clear when I put it in writing.
Posted by: Plagosus
« on: January 12, 2025, 05:35:53 pm »

An author may provide a reason for the punishment perhaps because he feels a reason is needed in a spanking story and then go on to describe a harsh spanking. The spanking may come over as mean-spirited if the reason is trivial and merited if the reason was serious.

I am not too concerned about why a boy is spanked. In some of my stories no reason is given. The focus of my stories tends to be on "spankiness" and very often the situations I create are highly implausible but not impossible. I have now and again written about mean-spirited spankers, but the fact they are mean-spirited is made clear other than by hard how they spank or what for.

In the end, whatever we write, are we not all exploring our obsession with spanking?
Posted by: Jack
« on: January 12, 2025, 12:48:10 am »

Quote from: David M. Katz on January 11, 2025, 03:56:14 pm
That said, I prefer more realistic type stories. I don't mind a harsh spanking but it needs to be justified by the "crime" and be age appropriate. I hate mean spankers.


There are plenty of stories with harsh spankings, but with good reasons for them.

Davram Quinn's Care and Handling series
Finn  Kelly's A Different Approach

Of course one of the problems is, it's hard to tell how harsh a spanking is based simply on what  you're reading.  Two people can give hand swats, yet one barely pinkens the skin while another leaves a bruise.  That's why, to me, it's more about how the spankee is treated.
Posted by: afinch
« on: January 11, 2025, 11:04:32 pm »

I'm with the rest of you.  And I don't care if they get their comeuppance in the end, because that doesn't undo the damage they've caused.

Similarly, there is a SS site mostly known for photos and videos.  I have zero interest in seeing photos of people whipped or caned to bleeding or paddled to massive bruising.  That has nothing to do with "spanking"--it's abuse.
Posted by: Zyngaru
« on: January 11, 2025, 07:17:48 pm »

I am with both Jack and DMK.

There are mean spirited people in the world.  You see them all the time on the job.  They are the people that look for ways to make co-workers look bad in front of their boss.

So, I can see this showing up in stories.  It is realistic, even if it's not fair.  But then I was taught that life isn't fair.

I also believe there is a difference between a mean-spirited person and just a plain ordinary mean person.  The stereotype of the old hag down the street that fusses at kids.  Or the grumpy old man.  Just normal mean people.  But mean-spirited are the ones that stick knives in the backs of their children.  They take pleasure out of leaving welts on their kids.  Some implements will leave welts, but to take pleasure in doing it just for your own enjoyment is mean-spirited and could also be just mean, if you do it all the time.  Kids at school that spread rumors about other kids, again mean spirited.  They find out that Billy still wets his bed at 12 years old.  Do they keep his confidence?  No, they spread the rumor until the whole school knows Billy's secret.

I dn;t like mean spirited people and I for sure don't want to read about them.  UNLESS like DMK said, they get it in the end.  My problem I wouldn't have kept reading to the end to find out they got what was coming to them.
Posted by: David M. Katz
« on: January 11, 2025, 03:56:14 pm »

As one who wrote unreasonable and OTT spankings in my first few stories because I thought that is what readers wanted because that is what I had read, I understand why these stories exist.

I do not like them and have long since redeemed my ways.

I will subvert an adage: "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder."

I know there are some who enjoy this sort of thing and it is what they get off to. I rather they read it/write it than do it. So, there is a need for these stories.

That said, I prefer more realistic type stories. I don't mind a harsh spanking but it needs to be justified by the "crime" and be age appropriate. I hate mean spankers.

If there is abuse or a mean/hateful spanker then I want a comeuppance or retribution in the story. A loving/caring spanker can make a harsh spanking easier to handle.

I don't like them and won't read them for pleasure.

I am sometimes in a position where I have to read them but I won't seek them out for my personal enjoyment.

I am with you, Jack.
Posted by: Jack
« on: January 11, 2025, 12:13:44 pm »

As I've said here recently, i've started reading spanky-lit again, and I'm discovering that I don't like stories where the spanker or spankings seem mean spirited.

I was just reading some by a recommended author (who hasn't posted in four years), so I'm going to mention him in case you want to look for yourself, and hope he doesn't hear about this post.  If he does (or if anyone likes his stories), I'm going to point out that these are my opinions, and I'm expressing them to open a discussion, not because I think my way is the only proper way or because I want to insult an author who's writing style I like very much.

I read one of Frank's stories that I really liked, so tried another.  I read part 3 of What Do You Mean? and the protagonist gets a hard, bare bottom paddling because he was supposed to 'mow the lawn early' and he slept in an extra twenty or thirty minutes.  How can a decent parent justify spanking in that situation at all?  Now, maybe this one hits me hard because I was spanked in a similar situation, and I'm still angry about it 50 years later.  Or maybe it's just lazy writing (either not making the situation clear or not being willing to bother to find a reasonable excuse), or maybe the author isn't intending this to be a WHASS  and wants the boy's punishments to be unfair.

Then I tried another - the first story in The Twins.  The boys are staying with a neighbor who has never spanked them before, but who has watched them.  The boys are about to get a well-deserved spanking, but after spanking the smaller twin (fraternal, not identical), he expects the other boy, who just watched his brother receive a very hard spanking on his pajamas and briefs, to willingly come to him, gives that boy three smacks for not coming, then sits down and demands he comes again, then gives him three more smacks - bare this time, and demands he come to him again, then gives him the same ten smacks his brother got, except, when he covers his bottom and doesn't move his hands, he gets the second half bare.

I can't see anyway that could be considered anything but mean, and it was enough that I don't want to read anymore of his stories.  Am I over reacting?  How do you feel about that kind of story?