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Posted by: Jack
« on: November 21, 2018, 10:58:31 pm »

There are a couple of different approaches to that.

1) I think I can vary the force of my swats enough to allow for that, though some consideration in the amount of size difference is to be considered (and can actually be allowed for, if the difference is too extreme).

2) BCA doesn't have a policy on paddling more than one boy who's in trouble for the same offense, so I can always leave one in the hall while I paddle the other, and just change paddles - they look enough alike I doubt two boys making a later comparison would be able to tell.

On a personal level, I have no problem explaining why the difference.  On the other hand, since I'm more likely to give a longer spanking, than a few swats, the difference could probably be disguised without notice.
Posted by: squarecutter
« on: November 21, 2018, 06:49:53 pm »

Following from your answer to Jacksons question. Especially with adolescents how do you deal with 2 or more kids the same age getting in trouble together whos growth rates mean one might be very well advanced and another still more a small boy physically  How do you approach choosing a paddle in that situation. Have you used different paddles in that situation
Posted by: db105
« on: November 16, 2018, 05:51:04 pm »

Poor boys! They were completely busted. Looks like they had enough, though, hopefully the extra discussion will be painless.
Posted by: Jack
« on: November 16, 2018, 04:40:15 pm »

Had a great day today.

Nick W., one of my fourth period students, which is my challenged middle school class, was late again today.  Three times is supposed to call for swats, but this was actually his sixth time.  I know he's ADHD, so I try to give them a bit extra leeway.  Plus, after a warning and two that were officially noticed, he did improve for a while, so I basically allowed him a reset, but this time it was three in a pretty small period of time, so I put an end to it today. 

We had tests today (Thanksgiving break is all next week), so I waited until he was finished with his test, then told him we'd take care of it after class, since he has lunch then.  The paddling was nothing special, but it was still fun because Nick is just a nice kid - he's lean, but not athletic, he does have a pretty round backside, his hair is a kind of dirty blond, and it seems like it's always on the verge of being too long for dress code.  He also acts pretty goofy.

It was only two swats on his trousers, and he took it pretty well.  He yelped, and he was obviously pretty sore, but he knew it was nothing personal, and he didn't take it that way. 

As I was in the office and checking out, the receptionist was glad to see me.  There were two brothers - Grant and Greg, I believe - and their dad.  Grant is a sixth grader (not one of my students) and Greg is fifth.  Greg is still 10, and Grant is already 12.

The boys had been tardy this morning, and apparently not the first time.  They were sent to the office for tardy passes, and were asked for an excuse.  They explained their dad had had trouble getting the car started, which is basically excused.  What they didn't know is that it was checked with their father, who had no idea what kind of car trouble he'd had.  That meant their original trouble was magnified.

Dad was there on his lunch break, but Mr. Saunders was off campus, and Mr. P was meeting with the family of a potential new student.  I was asked to deal with the dad, especially since Grant was still in class, and Dad had to get back to work.

I reminded all three of them that the normal penalty for a tardy was two on trousers, though it seemed to be a problem for Grant, which would probably mean four, since it's a recurring issue.  It was the lie that made things a bigger problem, and I wasn't sure how to deal with that.  Before I could make some suggestions, Dad made one of his own.  I told him we could do that in the conference room, and I could mark the issue 'handled by parent.'

In the conference room, with the right forms, I stood Grant with his nose to the wall, where I could watch everyone. In the meantime, Dad had Greg drop his pants and boxer briefs, took the boy over his lap, and gave a pretty darned thorough hand spanking.  You could kind of tell Greg tried to 'be brave', but he was kicking and squirming and crying pretty hard before Dad finished.  Can't say as I blame him, since his upper legs were rosy, and his butt and sit spots were a very definite, solid red.

Grant was called over to his dad and undressed, while I watched Greg try to fix his clothes, while facing me (away from his brother and Dad) and trying to dry his face, blow his nose, and rub his butt.  Suffice it to say, I got a very thorough look at the boy, front and back.

The two boys are about 15 months apart, and Grant just turned 12. He's about 5'1" (maybe three inches taller than Greg), and it looked like he'd just started puberty (still a little boy's ****, but his scrotum was starting to dangle a bit).  He didn't manage to take his spanking any better than his little brother had, but I think Dad paid more attention to his legs than he had Greg's.  Of course, Grant had the same trouble trying to dress as his little brother had, and I was sitting there, filling out the forms and a return to class pass for  Grant, while he did his dance.

Dad had a bit more to say.  He wasn't happy with being used as an excuse, and he wasn't happy at having to leave work.  It sounds like the boys are going to be facing at least more discussion when he gets home tonight, and there might be more if they don't mind their manners.
Posted by: Zyngaru
« on: November 08, 2018, 08:31:06 am »

Quote from: Jack on November 08, 2018, 02:05:16 am

  BCA has an institutional belief that recess (time outside and free time both) is very important to kids, and even the high school kids have a bit of unsupervised time where they can be outside if the weather permits.  Because of that, keeping kids in at recess almost never occurs, because it's seen as counter-productive. 


I am in this camp.  Kids need to be able to burn off pent up energy.  Sitting at a desk for 8 hours straight can wait for when they are adults and have an office job.

I can remember as a kid this idea was so important that even on rainy days we played active games either in the classroom or in the gym/auditorium.
Posted by: Jack
« on: November 08, 2018, 02:05:16 am »

Quote from: Zyngaru on November 07, 2018, 07:00:46 pm
I am a little surprised that "out of bounds" is a paddling offense.  But then, I don't know what other punishment would be affective/effective in that situation.

It could be argued that keeping a kid in from recess would be more 'appropriate'.  BCA has an institutional belief that recess (time outside and free time both) is very important to kids, and even the high school kids have a bit of unsupervised time where they can be outside if the weather permits.  Because of that, keeping kids in at recess almost never occurs, because it's seen as counter-productive. 

On the other hand, as I think I said, it's not really a paddling offense for a first time.  One of the problems for kids at BCA is that today's technology, is that it's possible for teachers to share and remember something like a warning, by issuing it and looking it up on computer, easily accessed by a student ID.
Posted by: Zyngaru
« on: November 07, 2018, 07:00:46 pm »

Thanks Jack for the updates.

I am a little surprised that "out of bounds" is a paddling offense.  But then, I don't know what other punishment would be affective/effective in that situation.
Posted by: Jack
« on: November 07, 2018, 04:29:57 pm »

While having a second, male principal has really cut down on the amount of action I've been getting this fall, I have had a couple of good days in a row.

Yesterday, two third grade boys (one 8, the other 9) had been caught out of bounds on the playground.  Since they were caught by the teacher on playground duty, and not their regular teacher, they were sent to the office.  Mr. P and Mr. Saunders were both busy, so I was asked to handle them before I left.

It wasn't horrible, compared to what's available to use, but each of them received two firm swats on their trousers.  The older boy was actually a bit shorter.  I had them climb in a desk chair, and lean forward onto the table with their elbows, which stretched the seat of their trousers snug across their bottoms.  I did leave one out in the hall while I paddled the other one.  I let the younger boy go first.  He yelped pretty hard, and his eyes were watery when he got up (slowly and a bit stiffly), but he managed to take it pretty well.  The older boy cried - not hard or real loud, but it was definitely real crying with flowing tears and a bit of sobbing.  The younger boy's pants were a bit loose on him, but the older boys were snug, and you could definitely tell he was wearing briefs.

Today, we had a pep rally for the last middle school football game of the season.  I didn't go - I didn't have to supervise any loose kids, so I was able to grade some papers, and even messed around on my phone a bit before time to leave.  As I was about to go to the office, I caught a kid out of bounds (if they don't go to the pep rally, they have to report to certain classrooms for supervision.  I took him back into my classroom and ran his ID.  He's been in trouble for out of bounds type behavior several times - once this year, and in previous years - so I took him to the office.  He was an 8th grade student, but nearly as tall as me.  Mr. C agreed I could handle it, instead of making the student wait, so we went into Mr. P's office, I had the boy drop his trousers (heather green Fruit of the Loom boxer briefs, and he was obviously pretty well hung), and I gave him four swats with the middle paddle, which is about a 15" (across the middle) oval made of maple.  He managed to take them quietly, but he was moving very stiffly and sorely while he stood up and fastened his pants.

Posted by: Jack
« on: September 24, 2018, 12:45:44 pm »

I don't remember seeing a boy - even an 'adult boy' - make it through that many swats with dry eyes.  However, school paddlings are easier to take, especially when you know the number ahead of time, and most of the boys I can think of right off hand might yelp and have damp eyes, but they don't actually break down and cry.
Posted by: jackson
« on: September 23, 2018, 05:54:48 pm »

From your experience witnessing or administering harsher paddlings to older students, i.e. bare and 8 or more swats, what's the usual reaction? Do some or any manage to take their paddling without much reaction or does crying and sobbing pretty much always happen even with say 18-year olds?
Posted by: Jack
« on: September 20, 2018, 04:59:49 pm »

I do remember that one, and it was very harsh, but that boy had deliberately chosen to flaunt the rules a number of times, so it was harsh, but appropriate.
Posted by: jackson
« on: September 20, 2018, 02:19:50 pm »

I remember one you recounted after being asked to witness, I think it was shortly before the old forum went down, concerning a 16-year old boy who got 10 swats bare for being a repeat offender racking up parking violations. I don't know if you recall that one but I remember thinking it was a pretty severe punishment and you mentioned he was sobbing by the end of his paddling.

Posted by: Jack
« on: September 19, 2018, 01:50:45 pm »

Quote from: jackson on September 16, 2018, 05:18:16 pm
Have you ever been asked to witness or administer a paddling at school where the culprit got 12 swats bare?

It took me a long time to answer this, because I just don't honestly remember.  A lot of times, when I'm writing a story, I remember the broad strokes, but I have to fill in the details. 

The simple fact is that I have witnessed some pretty harsh punishment of older kids who were in serious trouble.  I've even given some very firm paddlings in that situation.  I just honestly can't say if it went all the way to twelve or not.  I think I have, but I'm just not going to swear to it.
Posted by: jackson
« on: September 16, 2018, 05:18:16 pm »

Have you ever been asked to witness or administer a paddling at school where the culprit got 12 swats bare?
Posted by: Jack
« on: September 16, 2018, 11:00:49 am »

I have no idea, Jackson.  This has been well over 16 months, and I just don't remember the exact details of the discussions that might have occurred.