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Posted by: Jack
« on: August 16, 2018, 02:04:26 pm »

Quote from: Journey on August 16, 2018, 07:39:22 am
Wow, busy month so far! So Jake was spanked with the other boys in the room? Who are his roommates and how did they react?

Jake sleeps with Devon and Ryan Tucker when they're over here. 

The other boys were awake, but in their beds, and the beds are set up using room dividers, so Jake has some privacy (and less lighting) from the other boys, so they didn't see the spanking.  The other two boys are smart enough to keep their reactions to themselves.


Quote from: Journey on August 16, 2018, 07:39:22 am
Poor Larry must have been frustrated. I'm glad none of the boys were annoyed that he had let the grown-ups know that he was upset. How did the apologies go?

The apologies went fine.  The boys knew they'd screwed up.  It was one of those things where they might not have thought it was a big deal, but they understood after they'd had it 'explained' to them. 

I was very careful to let them know that Larry had NOT told on them, but that his Dad had noticed his behavior, so it wouldn't cause problems between them.
Posted by: Journey
« on: August 16, 2018, 07:39:22 am »

Wow, busy month so far! So Jake was spanked with the other boys in the room? Who are his roommates and how did they react?

Poor Larry must have been frustrated. I'm glad none of the boys were annoyed that he had let the grown-ups know that he was upset. How did the apologies go?
Posted by: Zyngaru
« on: August 16, 2018, 07:12:09 am »

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Even though this wasn't an especially hard spanking, I felt a bit like I overreacted.  What really decided it for me was not so much what they did, but that this was the very first day of school.  I know they were excited to see their friends again, and I would have been okay if they'd just been late (they were a a bit later than I'd expected, even allowing for that, but not horribly).  My problem was that it sounds like Larry had tried to keep them all focused, but they'd all been wandering around doing what they wanted.  If this had happened next week, after establishing a good start, I don't think I would have reacted so firmly.  Since it was the very first day, I jut felt like we needed to let them know that their behavior wasn't acceptable and wouldn't be tolerated - nip it in the bud, so to speak.

I totally agree.

If you or Jay was there to walk them home, they would not have made the side trips.  It's the side trips that bother me the most.  Yes, the first day of school, it would be more difficult to get them all rounded up to walk home together, because they want to get reacquainted with their friends.  But once they left the school grounds, the need to stay together is paramount.  There is no way that Larry can chase after boys splitting off from the group to do their own thing.

So I don't think it was an overreaction. I do think it was time to set the rule on their bottoms, so they know for a fact that Larry is in charge.  If Larry is going to have the responsibility for the boys safety, then he needs the authority to coral them.  Obviously he is not going to spank them.  He's not ready for that.  But he needs to be backed up.  You, Jay and Bridgette backed him up.  So now the boys know when Larry tells them it is time to go home, they will group together and go home. 

Now that the boys KNOW that Larry is the boss.  (There is a consequence if I don't obey Larry.)  There probably won't be anymore problems from them in this area.  (Well maybe by Halloween, they might act out again, especially if the wearing of costumes is allowed at school?)
Posted by: Adric
« on: August 16, 2018, 07:11:41 am »

Quote from: Jack on August 16, 2018, 05:21:14 am
I use the term 'in charge' pretty loosely, but Ollie and Andy, and Curtis and Connor, and Larry's little brother, Kevin (8 ), as well as Brennan Henderson (10), all sat down with Jay and I, and we went over the rules. 

Let me pause and say that Larry is a bit of a wallflower.  He tends not to push himself forward, so his dad and I both checked with him a couple of times to make sure he felt he'd be able to do this.  I've seen him with other kids, and he doesn't let them run over him, but he's not aggressive either.

With Larry (11) only a year older than Brennan (10) and not particularly assertive, it isn't hard to imagine that he had a problem exercising his authority successfully.  I suspect, now that the consequences have been felt, that this problem won't recur anytime soon.
Posted by: Jack
« on: August 16, 2018, 05:21:14 am »

Quote from: jackson on August 15, 2018, 05:24:25 pm
From that other incident you posted about Marcus paddling those two cousins for horseplay and this one it sounds like Marcus paddles pretty soundly. Is that your impression?

I definitely believe that, and while I don't see him do it often,  I can say it does look and sound like he's got a good grasp on technique from what I have seen.

Quote from: David M. Katz on August 15, 2018, 10:52:19 pm
Thanks for the report.  I was beginning to think August was going to be spank free.

I will admit there are times each year that I do let things slide a bit more.  I know that consistency is a virtue - especially when raising kids - but it's just harder for me to be strict at times like Christmas or when we're ramping up to go back to school.

The other thing to remember is that  I've been spending at least a few hours involved with school stuff almost all month, while the kids have still been free, and I've been trying to keep up with other things as well.  It could simply be that the kids have been getting by with less supervision and maybe getting away with stuff they normally wouldn't.

However, I think they're trying to make up for that now.

Mass paddling yesterday after school.

Jake and Eli Marchant are in middle school this year, so we had to find someone new to handle the back and forth to school when the kids are on their own.  It's not too far to the school, but it does cross a fairly major road, and the road the school is on stays fairly busy when school starts and ends.  To that end, Larry Licht (who lives across the street with his dad, my own friend, Jay), who is a sixth grader this year, is in charge of the group. 

I use the term 'in charge' pretty loosely, but Ollie and Andy, and Curtis and Connor, and Larry's little brother, Kevin (8), as well as Brennan Henderson (10), all sat down with Jay and I, and we went over the rules. 

Let me pause and say that Larry is a bit of a wallflower.  He tends not to push himself forward, so his dad and I both checked with him a couple of times to make sure he felt he'd be able to do this.  I've seen him with other kids, and he doesn't let them run over him, but he's not aggressive either.

So, when Larry and Kevin stopped by yesterday morning to get C&C, I thought everything was okay, as they headed off to meet Andy and Ollie.

Yesterday afternoon, Jay called to say that Larry had been obviously upset when they came in from school.

The group is supposed to go straight to the bike racks after school dismisses, then head home as a group.  That's it.  Larry's main job is to make sure everyone is riding/walking safely and keep them together.  Apparently everyone wanted to play around instead of coming straight to the racks, which I would have been mostly okay with.  However, they ignored Larry when he tried to get them together.  Some other kids started with them, and people wanted to break away on side trips when their friends broke off.  They didn't stay together. 

I the boys together after hanging up with Jay, and I told them that Larry had been upset, and I asked them their side of what had happened (not trying to trap anyone - I made it clear I had heard some things, but I wanted their version).  Basically they all admitted they'd 'just been playing around'.  With a bit more digging, each of them admitted that they'd ignored or disobeyed Larry's instructions.

Brennan was not officially part of this group, so I told him he'd have to wait for his mom, and sent him off.  The other boys had already changed out of school clothes, so it was easy enough to slide their shorts and briefs off.  I lined them up - Ollie, Curtis, Andy, and Connor  and put them over the side of the bed, one by one.  I put them over the side of the bed, and the younger boys got four smacks each, the older boys got six.  That big spoon has a ton of sting for little bottoms and a bit of thud to remind them for a while.  All four of them were yelping loud and crying some before they got up. Then they got dressed again and we went across the street.

Kevin was there when I arrived, and he'd obviously been crying himself.  Everyone apologized to Larry, and they promised him, Jay, and myself that they'd follow the rules from now on.  Jay and I made it clear that they couldn't walk or ride their bikes to school if Larry didn't accompany them, so they needed to make sure they did.

Even though this wasn't an especially hard spanking, I felt a bit like I overreacted.  What really decided it for me was not so much what they did, but that this was the very first day of school.  I know they were excited to see their friends again, and I would have been okay if they'd just been late (they were a a bit later than I'd expected, even allowing for that, but not horribly).  My problem was that it sounds like Larry had tried to keep them all focused, but they'd all been wandering around doing what they wanted.  If this had happened next week, after establishing a good start, I don't think I would have reacted so firmly.  Since it was the very first day, I jut felt like we needed to let them know that their behavior wasn't acceptable and wouldn't be tolerated - nip it in the bud, so to speak.

When Bridgette arrived, she, Brennan, and I went to my office.  I explained the situation to her, and why I hadn't spanked him with the rest.  She asked him if he'd been with the other kids, if he'd known the rules, and if he'd followed them.  He (sadly) admitted he had.  She said I should have spanked him with the rest, and suggested I do so now.  He was unhappy, but compliant.  I let him bare himself, and bent him over the arm of the couch.  I gave him 7 swats with the jumbo spoon, which had him about like the other kids - yelping a lot, but only crying a little.  I did notice he's not shy around his mom.  He rubbed for a moment, dressed while apologizing, and she and I both got hugs before he went to clean up.
Posted by: David M. Katz
« on: August 15, 2018, 10:52:19 pm »

Thanks for the report.  I was beginning to think August was going to be spank free.
Posted by: jackson
« on: August 15, 2018, 05:24:25 pm »

From that other incident you posted about Marcus paddling those two cousins for horseplay and this one it sounds like Marcus paddles pretty soundly. Is that your impression?
Posted by: Jack
« on: August 15, 2018, 04:59:18 pm »

Quote from: jackson on August 15, 2018, 04:11:10 pm
You know how many licks Marcus gave those two boys?

No, but considering that he'd already had them running, I'd guess only two each, which is pretty well a minimum.
Posted by: jackson
« on: August 15, 2018, 04:11:10 pm »

You know how many licks Marcus gave those two boys?
Posted by: Jack
« on: August 15, 2018, 12:58:30 pm »

Quote from: Zyngaru on August 15, 2018, 06:32:23 am
Rhett and Ryder.  What little boys doesn't like to play in the rain.  I know I did.  I can imagine the neighbor boy got spanked as well.  Part of being a little boy.

Just to be clear on this, they weren't spanked because it was or was not raining, but because they'd been told to stay 'on the block' - something that both boys understand the meaning of.  In this case, they were spanked for disobeying.
Posted by: Zyngaru
« on: August 15, 2018, 06:32:23 am »

They all make perfect sense.

Jake needs to get back into the routine and school schedule.  It would be difficult to go to bed before the other boys.  But if that is what he needs then that is what he needs.

Marcus of course has to keep control of the boys.  The boys need to understand that playing team sports is a disciplined endeavor.  So taking swats early in the year, might guide them into being good teammates later on.

Rhett and Ryder.  What little boys doesn't like to play in the rain.  I know I did.  I can imagine the neighbor boy got spanked as well.  Part of being a little boy.
Posted by: Jack
« on: August 15, 2018, 04:30:05 am »

The big one to report is that Jake was spanked  Monday night.

It wasn't a particularly harsh spanking, but it was over another bedtime rebellion - one in a tradition going back with his big brothers many years.

School starts this morning.  Because of our summer schedule, it's not too hard to get the boys prepped for the school schedule, but I spent last week double checking how much sleep the boy really need.  Jake just can't function without at least 9 hours.  PJ and I discussed it, and he does sometimes drop Jake and Ryan Tucker here to ride in with their brothers, so 6:30 is a good, scheduled wake up time for Jake.  That probably wouldn't be a huge problem, except that Jake is more than 15 months younger than the next youngest (Kenny), and the other boys have a bit later bedtime than he does.  The other boys do have to be settled down by that point - no phones or games, though they can sit up and read - so he can turn off his light and lay down in a fairly dark room with no light in his face.

We had had some problems Sunday night, and I worked with him, talked with him, gave him a little extra attention, and he went to sleep.  It started again Monday with 'getting ready for bed'.  I warned him we weren't going to do this every single night, and he needed to follow the regular protocol.  He was still resistant and ended up directly disobeying me.  At that point, I asked him if he wanted to do it there or go to my office for some privacy.  At that point, he realized he'd gone over the line, and he started apologizing, promising to go to bed, and begging for one more chance.

I told him that he'd been warned, and I'd still given him multiple chances, and he'd used them all up.  I ended up sitting on the side of his bed, propping my left leg across the side of the bed, pulling him across that, then sliding his shorts down.  I only used my hand, but it was long enough to get some tears flowing.  Then I pulled him into a hug for a moment before letting him pull his boxers back into place. 

We went to the bathroom and got him cleaned up, then I tucked him in again and he went to sleep.

For the record, getting him to bed last night was no trouble at all.


Marcus mentioned last night that he had to paddle a couple of boys Monday.

We've had some heavy rains and scattered thunderstorms for about a week now (well, since last Thursday, I think).  That wasn't too much of a problem for Marcus, since football is played in bad weather.  However, they do have to stop playing if lightning is sighted.

Marcus was inside working with the new kids in 7th grade - the ones in their first year of playing for the school.  He was going over his coaching style with them, trying to key them in on what he felt the most important things for them to work on were.  He finally stopped and sent two boys to run laps around the gym 'so the rest of us can concentrate on what (he was) trying to talk about'.  The head coach gave the okay to head back out, so he sent most of the boys out.  He let the other two stop running and called them over to him.  He let them know very specifically that he understood the need to play around and have fun, but that being part of a sports team required being serious during actual practice and always paying attention to the coach.  He asked both of them if they could do that and if they still wanted to be part of the team.  They both agreed they did - even when he told them they were about to get paddled.

The boys hadn't been in pads, so they were able to get their licks on gym shorts, which I'm sure were very painful, and then finish out practice with sore butts.  Marcus said he noticed they were still very red when the boys hit the showers.


Chris tells me that Rhett and Ryder got spanked last Friday.

He's been picking them up a bit early the past week, since he's finishing his work at school around 3pm each day.  The boys have been spending time playing with their friends around his house. 

Friday afternoon, it was very overcast and threatening with heavy storms in the area, and Chris let them go out, but told them not to leave the block in front of their house.  Twenty minutes later, he heard thunder and went out to call them in, and you can guess what happened next.

He stood out front about five minutes later, and a couple of minutes after he came out, the parents of one of their friends came out.  Chris and the other parent, who'd told her 8-year old son the exact same thing, stood there talking for a few minutes, until the boys came back in sight.

They'd 'just' gone a couple of blocks to see if (some other kid) could come out.  There was one other boy with them who was told he should probably get inside before it started raining.  Rhett and Ryder and the other parents boy were all escorted inside.  My little grandson (who are 7 and 9 now, btw) were escorted straight to their bedroom, where they were bared and took turns over Dad's lap - hand spankings for the both of them, Chris said.