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Posted by: Halcloud
« on: September 17, 2019, 09:29:13 pm »

@Johnno

I can't really tell what you meant (I guess you meant the threads, but the issues bled together a bit), but the icon objection wasn't from JCW. I know because the person that did object, sent me the email they sent you yesterday.
Posted by: Johnno
« on: September 17, 2019, 06:16:09 pm »

Quote from: Johnno on September 17, 2019, 10:19:42 am
Halcloud,

I am very sorry ............   However whatever you decide we will respect your decision.

......
********** 

I had a rather strong objection from another contributor alleging that I had 'deliberately given the  wrong gender  icon to  a transgender story of yours'.    I did no such thing.  I have no idea what he is talking about.  Most of your stories are done by another reviewer but as he is unavailable at present for personal reasons, I have been doing some recent ones.

You have always  given very helpful icon guidance -- thank you and I wish others would do the same -- and that is what I would have followed had I reviewed the story concerned. In any case regardless of what the person is referring to if you or any author thinks icons are incorrect just send a modification with 'note to reviewer' to request change or send an email to me and I will fix.

Johnno
As I thought "I" did not even review that story. Explained elsewhere. I did not even participate in the discussion at Review Forum about icons as I was overseas on business at the time.

Could we please refrain from blaming Butt Boy Bobby for everything  --  apart from everything I am being blamed for   (and I am NOT directing that remark specifically at Halcould)

The accusation was  made  by another author   (NOT BBB) who had opened  one of the now removed threads which  continued the dissension and hostility   --after I had closed the original thread  and following   discussion I initiated on Rev Forum about locking  the increasingly toxic  original.

Johnno
Posted by: Johnno
« on: September 17, 2019, 05:49:50 pm »

Quote from: David M. Katz on September 17, 2019, 01:40:44 pm
Quote from: Halcloud on September 17, 2019, 11:23:58 am

I used that handy "report post" option. To which I added "hate speech" in the notes area.


Even those these show up in our notifications not everyone is diligent about opening notifications as they are usually just advice that someone has replied to a thread we posted to.  I certainly do not open mine regularly.  I think that is the only way to see a report on a post.  I checked the moderators panel and, yes, there is a tab for reported messages but that is just for PMs.  I see no other place where a report would show.

All of that to say it likely just got missed.

I would suggest to everyone that if there is a MMSA forum issue to send a MMSA PM to a moderator or reach out via email to moderator's nameATmalespankDOTnet.  Example:  I am davidkatzATmalespankDOTnet.

Yes that would explain why I never received it or if I did made the same assumption as Dave. Just more notifications and I was very busy at the time - if indeed it did show.

I thought you may have written to 'admin[at]Malespank.net.  Those do not come to the other Admins.  They all go to Flag:
1 who has been completely absent since march
2. whose email box was inadvertently vapourised by his computer [also in March] along with much irreplaceable and very important IT material he had been working on for man many months
3. and who to my knowledge  has not replaced the general email box
SO writing there would have been a complete waste of time. :(  He doesn't get them and doesn't look when he does. ::)

Obviously you [Halcloud] thought that was sensible and you should have been right. None of the ten or so moderators (not only me) appears to have taken any notice  :o --- if as I say it did appear anyway.   Sorry

Johnno
Posted by: David M. Katz
« on: September 17, 2019, 01:40:44 pm »

Quote from: Halcloud on September 17, 2019, 11:23:58 am

I used that handy "report post" option. To which I added "hate speech" in the notes area.


Even those these show up in our notifications not everyone is diligent about opening notifications as they are usually just advice that someone has replied to a thread we posted to.  I certainly do not open mine regularly.  I think that is the only way to see a report on a post.  I checked the moderators panel and, yes, there is a tab for reported messages but that is just for PMs.  I see no other place where a report would show.

All of that to say it likely just got missed.

I would suggest to everyone that if there is a MMSA forum issue to send a MMSA PM to a moderator or reach out via email to moderator's nameATmalespankDOTnet.  Example:  I am davidkatzATmalespankDOTnet.
Posted by: Halcloud
« on: September 17, 2019, 11:23:58 am »

Quote from: Johnno on September 17, 2019, 10:19:42 am

Quote
First, where's the point that I reported Bobby's offensive post DAYS before I said anything in the MMSA forum?
.  How did you report this? I do not recall an email from you and there is no PM. 

********** 
I used that handy "report post" option. To which I added "hate speech" in the notes area.

Quote
I had a rather strong objection from another contributor alleging that I had 'deliberately given the  wrong gender  icon to  a transgender story of yours'.    I did no such thing.  I have no idea what he is talking about.  Most of your stories are done by another reviewer but as he is unavailable at present for personal reasons, I have been doing some recent ones.

You have always  given very helpful icon guidance -- thank you and I wish others would do the same -- and that is what I would have followed had I reviewed the story concerned. In any case regardless of what the person is referring to if you or any author thinks icons are incorrect just send a modification with 'note to reviewer' to request change or send an email to me and I will fix.

Johnno

I'll just email you about this later. They were mad and let me know at the time the story posted too, but I could see it from both viewpoints.
Posted by: ivor
« on: September 17, 2019, 10:35:41 am »

Halcloud,

You may have read my earlier posts on this thread, but there are a couple of things I would like to say to you directly.

The MMSA Forums are frequented by very few people. Look at any thread there and unless it is one that has been running for years, the number of reads is likely to be not much more than a hundred. Compare that to the number of reads that your stories obtain. I suspect most of those have reads that are over a thousand.

If you remove them your readers will wonder why. Nearly all of them will not have any idea of why you made that decision because they don't visit the Forum

Unfortunately there are a few people who have made the MMSA English Forum an unpleasant place over the years, which may explain the lack of participation in comparison to the German one.

At the end of the day it is your decision, but if you do withdraw your stories the only adverse effect will be on people who enjoy reading them - not the Forum trolls.
Posted by: Johnno
« on: September 17, 2019, 10:19:42 am »

Halcloud,

I am very sorry to hear about your depression and agree completely with Zyngaru.

Do whatever you can to avoid stress.

I hope you will leave your stories [and wrote to your email address]. Removal will just deprive the very readers who appreciate the relevant content of your stories.   However whatever you decide we will respect your decision.

Quote
First, where's the point that I reported Bobby's offensive post DAYS before I said anything in the MMSA forum?
.  How did you report this? I do not recall an email from you and there is no PM. 

********** 

I had a rather strong objection from another contributor alleging that I had 'deliberately given the  wrong gender  icon to  a transgender story of yours'.    I did no such thing.  I have no idea what he is talking about.  Most of your stories are done by another reviewer but as he is unavailable at present for personal reasons, I have been doing some recent ones.

You have always  given very helpful icon guidance -- thank you and I wish others would do the same -- and that is what I would have followed had I reviewed the story concerned. In any case regardless of what the person is referring to if you or any author thinks icons are incorrect just send a modification with 'note to reviewer' to request change or send an email to me and I will fix.

Johnno
Posted by: Zyngaru
« on: September 17, 2019, 09:38:20 am »

Mr. Halcloud,

We don't know each other and I didn't follow the thread at MMSA so I'm not going to talk about that mess, except that I am surprised that BBB is still on MMSA after all this time.  (I had my own experiences with him and he is crazy, there is no other way to put it.)  I don't know Bottom and haven't had any run ins with him, so I won't speak about him.

But about you.  Depression is serious.  Severe Depression is life threatening.  So do whatever you have to do to find that calm safe space for yourself.  You could leave your stories in the archive for readers to find and enjoy, but for yourself, just not sign into MMSA for an extended period of time, until you get some balance in your life.  But that is up to you and no one else.

The important thing is get stress out of your life as much as is possible.  Stress kills.  Stress for someone who suffers from depression can kill quicker.  We do not want to sign on to this or any other forum and discover you are not with us anymore.  So do what you have to do, to find your happy place.  As much as possible remove everything in your life that triggers your depression.  (Some things like Family, can't be removed unfortunately, but at least limit yourself as much as possible from triggers.)
Posted by: Kat
« on: September 16, 2019, 05:26:15 pm »

Halcloud,

Thank you for replying on this thread. Speaking for myself, I don't blame you or anyone else who asked for his stories to be removed. I certainly don't see it as a tantrum or an attempt to punish MMSA. I see it as a protest, which is an act of conscience. It wouldn't be my own decision for reasons I've expressed on the thread. I'd hate to lose you or the others from MMSA, but you must follow your conscience and do what is best in your own judgement.

I certainly hope this thread has not caused you any additional pain. I started it to discuss the failure of moderation to restrain BBB and Bottom -- not to be critical of the authors who spoke up against them in the MMSA forums or the decision of some to remove their stories.

Kat
Posted by: Halcloud
« on: September 16, 2019, 05:04:03 pm »

Hi! I thought I'd post a little extra clarity here since a friend pointed out the existence of this thread. (This entire post is written in a non-hostile manner, so read it as such. If anything, I'm near tears.)

First, where's the point that I reported Bobby's offensive post DAYS before I said anything in the MMSA forum? Just saying. It's not like I jumped right in. Both post reports I made were left to sit until Johnno replied to my public post when I asked why the thread was being ignored by moderators. He then gave Bobby a green light to carry on with his "free speech". Promptly after, the reports were both closed with no action taken.

My PM's are closed at MMSA due to Bobby contacting me to call me evil (back in July) over a different thread. He believes I'm pro-abortion due to my geographical location. Which I've never said how I feel, one way or the other.

I suffer from severe depression and I do my best to keep it in check (yeah, I know that doesn't make me special). I've received a number of emails that asked if I'm okay and/or if I'd reconsider pulling my stories. I also had a number of people that contacted me saying they understood why I wanted to pull my stories. This has taxed me but I'm not going to hurt myself over anything Bobby related. I think removing my stories is basically seen as having something of a babyfit in reaction to Bobby, or that I'm trying in vain to punish MMSA by removing my nearly 200 stories amongst the vast 38,000+. Which I can see people thinking that, but that's really not the point. I'm considering my options, which includes removing myself from MMSA for a length of time and leaving my stories. I'm also inclined to move away from MMSA and take my stories with me. I'm not that hard to find online. If my fans love me, they'll be able to find me.
Posted by: Johnno
« on: September 15, 2019, 02:19:05 am »

I checked the removed topics and can confirm:

1. BiCentennial Baby has NOT asked for stories to be removed. On the contrary he expressed disappointment when others choose to do that.  Much as the rest of us are saying

2. Torok has not asked for story removal despite being the main proponent [opponent?].  It is the other 'supporters' who have made this gesture

If anyone has acted on this misinformation and written to either BiCentBaby or Torok  then please write again.  They may be confused over what this is about and wondering  if there stories are about to be removed. THAT IS NOT THE CASE.  It is just Halcloud, RBB and  Parallax who have requested removal.

Johnno
Posted by: Johnno
« on: September 14, 2019, 05:58:57 pm »

Quote from: David M. Katz on September 14, 2019, 07:40:00 am
Quote from: ivor on September 14, 2019, 02:27:24 am
Only problem is there were several authors who were going to withdraw and I can only remember a couple of names - Halcloud & Parallax.

RedBottomedBoy
Bicentennial Baby
Torok
Hal
Parallax

No.

Torok who started this whole drama has not requested removal.

Nor as I recall has BiCentennial Baby though I will check the Spam section to be sure. The only one to advise me is Hal though Parallax and RBB have made public statements which I will take as a request to remove.

Any of these could be contacted via their story sections though I think  that feedback remains in their author accounts.

I will if I can make time, be writing to the three mentioned and quote [without attribution as to source or writer] from several of the excellent  comments made here .  I will  be writing to their personal emails as provided by them in their author accounts but  am not at liberty to give those addresses out. 

No stories will be withdrawn until late this week and all require confirmation..

As commented above it is their choice if they wish to confirm withdrawal and if they do  it will be quickly forgotten, only they and their readers, especially the ones for whom this decision is made ie the LGB etc community.  There are 40,000 stories in the vast archive.

Johnno

Johnno 
Posted by: David M. Katz
« on: September 14, 2019, 04:07:46 pm »

Kat, Adric, ivor:

See email.

 ;D
Posted by: Adric
« on: September 14, 2019, 02:45:18 pm »

Quote from: Kat on September 14, 2019, 01:21:01 pm
I've sent PM's to four of the five authors. It appears Halcloud has disabled private messaging.

From MMSA Forum but not Jack's House.
Posted by: Kat
« on: September 14, 2019, 02:15:21 pm »

Quote from: ivor on September 14, 2019, 02:11:39 pm
If is stories are still there, could you send something as feedback?

His stories are still there, and that is a thought. I'm not sure, though, it would be productive. If he has closed off communication, he might feel sending using the story feedback to contact him about the forum situation is pushy.

Kat